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Cool. Interested to see the changes!



Took some pictures after a wash but I guess it was just a bit too dark for my little camera - they didn't come out as nice as I was hoping but here's a couple that didn't suck too bad. Of course it rained the next day...










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Bring up the outer edge eyelid termination point. It makes the headlights look droopy instead of aggressive.

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I agree - but only from some angles. It's weird. From other angles it looks just right and bringing it up would look strange as well. That's the best compromise I could get.. I think. I'll take another close look at it.

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Congratulations on finishing school. I'm looking forward to see what you do to your car this time around.

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Updates on the... updates.

Got the RCAs done.



Along with the RCAs, I'm also doing some work to tidy up more of the wiring in the trunk. Screw down zip ties, barrier strips, etc.

Here's what it looked like under the beauty panels.







It'll look a bit cleaner once I'm done.


Also, I had mentioned new sub. Here's what I had..





Out with the old, in with the new. Acoustic Elegance TD10X-4.





With the direction I'm going with the system now, I'm less concerned with being able to get under 20Hz from the front sub enclosure and am instead looking for more detail/attack/impact and a higher efficiency, higher energy type sound. This sub, while providing just a hair less output in the low bass, is nearly a full 10 dB more efficient than the Alpine. And in the enclosure I have, has a lower qtc. All of which I'm hoping will provide the sound I'm looking for. The Alpine was a beast. It could get looow and loud and pound. No EQ necessary to get 20Hz flat. But the box was a bit too small for it so it could be a bit muddy in the midbass.

Here's how they model.




Today I have to recarpet the sub enclosure and amp rack, terminate the speaker wire in the trunk, run the new RCAs, install the new sub, and put everything back together. Hoping I can get it all done today. We'll see.

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I always wondered how subs with the phase plug sounded,interesting.
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I'm about to find out I guess. I'm sure it will be great.

I believe the idea behind the phase plugs is A) it lowers power compression and B) it aids top end extension. On axis in a home build, with the ultra low inductance, these can play up high enough to meet a tweeter/ribbon.

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Well as it turns out, the phase plug is an issue. It allows air to pass from inside the enclosure, resulting in that leaky sealed box sound

Depending on how they're used, it wouldn't necessarily be an issue, but for me since the enclosure is in the cabin with me, it has to be perfectly sealed. So I asked John about the effects of replacing the phase plug with a standard dust cap. I'm thinking it won't be much change in the frequency band I'm concerned with.

Otherwise, it definitely has the lively, aggressive, higher efficiency sound that I was after.

So here's the install so far, pending further developments.

Pulled out the Alpine, ripped off the old carpet, and enlarged the cutout 1/8" for the wider spokes on the TD10's basket.



Gave it a quick shot with some black paint as background for the carpet later.



Threaded inserts for 10-24 machine screws



Carpeted



Stuffed



And speaker installed. Not shown, a ring of carpet for a bit of gasket material since I'm not using the thick rubber gasket supplied by AE.





Got the amp rack back in today but the wiring isn't quite finished being organized yet. Everything makes noise again though, so that's good.

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Good deal so far, how is the enclosure secured in the front of your vehicle ?

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Good deal so far, how is the enclosure secured in the front of your vehicle ?
This is something I have wondered about for a while. I would love to do something similar but have no clue really how to secure it without punching more holes in the frame. That's something I am really scared of on a Lexus Hybrid.

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Default Re: '04 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart - First Build Log

Take off the glovebox and kick panel, shoehorn it in under the front edge of the dash (it's ridiculously tight) and then reinstall the glovebox/kick panel and it's held in.

Mic did a similar install in his Lancer and bolted it through the floor and said it helped, but I didn't want to have to remove the speaker every time I wanted to pull the box out. And also didn't want to drill through the floor.

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Take off the glovebox and kick panel, shoehorn it in under the front edge of the dash (it's ridiculously tight) and then reinstall the glovebox/kick panel and it's held in.

Mic did a similar install in his Lancer and bolted it through the floor and said it helped, but I didn't want to have to remove the speaker every time I wanted to pull the box out. And also didn't want to drill through the floor.
Thanks for that man. I don't know if that will work for my ride as the glove box sits really high being an suv. Something to seriously consider when the time comes. Whenever that may be. Money issues right now. That, and looks like the SI BM MKV might not happen which was the end plan.

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Take off the glovebox and kick panel, shoehorn it in under the front edge of the dash (it's ridiculously tight) and then reinstall the glovebox/kick panel and it's held in.

Mic did a similar install in his Lancer and bolted it through the floor and said it helped, but I didn't want to have to remove the speaker every time I wanted to pull the box out. And also didn't want to drill through the floor.
My car already had a bolt coming through the fire wall that held some plasticky stuff......Just added a clamp to the enclosure and used the existing bolt / nut to secure it to the firewall....it just takes a LONG socket extender and a 10mm socket to get mine out.

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Default Re: '04 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart - First Build Log

Another question for you gents. When you guys built these enclosures did you take out your floor carpet or did you build these enclosures over top of the carpet? If you guys pulled the carpet, how did you go about it? Mine is all one piece and would have to be cut out. Really don't like that idea but it would allow a fair amount larger enclosure volume likely. Anyways, curious what you two did.

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Over the top of the carpet, but took out the big foam block behind it to gain more volume. With the enclosure out and speaker wire tucked away, it looks stock.

Good to see you back here Jason

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Over the top of the carpet, but took out the big foam block behind it to gain more volume. With the enclosure out and speaker wire tucked away, it looks stock.

Good to see you back here Jason
This is kind of what I have planned actually. We'll see if I ever get around to actually doing it. This year is now out due to money and now weather.

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Over the top of the carpet, but took out the big foam block behind it to gain more volume. With the enclosure out and speaker wire tucked away, it looks stock.

Good to see you back here Jason
Same exact thing here......the styrofoam pad under the carpet was taken out, and the enclosure is molded in over the carpet - I'm not sure a credit card could go between the enclosure and the center console.

I'm enjoying seeing what you are doing here!!!

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While being away at some training I've been discussing the phase plug issue with John at AE. Since there's no pole vent on the TD woofers, it's not as simple as just unscrewing the phase plug and gluing on a dust cap. So, he's going to build me a custom speaker with the TD10X soft parts, a motor with a vented pole piece, and a dust cap. The existing parameters should change very little, so it should be exactly what I need! Pretty cool.

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While being away at some training I've been discussing the phase plug issue with John at AE. Since there's no pole vent on the TD woofers, it's not as simple as just unscrewing the phase plug and gluing on a dust cap. So, he's going to build me a custom speaker with the TD10X soft parts, a motor with a vented pole piece, and a dust cap. The existing parameters should change very little, so it should be exactly what I need! Pretty cool.
That is awesome! I am anxious to hear how you like it.
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I just went through the many transitions of this build very nice build digging the a pillars

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Thanks man I appreciate it. Where in Texas are you?

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I'm actually about 10 miles south of Waco which is 2 hrs north of Austin. I was raised in Waco though

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Cool. I'll be moving to Abilene soon and will occasionally have get togethers there once getting settled in.

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Default Re: '04 Mitsubishi Lancer Ralliart - First Build Log

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Cool. I'll be moving to Abilene soon and will occasionally have get togethers there once getting settled in.
I'm always down to check out another ride especially one that has had this many hours put into it. I haven't started my 08 Chevy crew yet still getting my equipment together but I've been in audio for 20 years always built for others it is finally my turn

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