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You giys would be amazed at how floppy cones actually are--even the expensive ones. A floppy cone isneither good nor bad, but all of those bending modes are what causes the peaks and dips you see in the frequency response. There isn't one mode, there are many modes.

For a good explanation of this with pics, check out the 'Loudspeaker and Headphone Handbook" (don't remember the author) or "High Performance Loudspeakers" by Martin Colloms.
 
You giys would be amazed at how floppy cones actually are--even the expensive ones. A floppy cone isneither good nor bad, but all of those bending modes are what causes the peaks and dips you see in the frequency response. There isn't one mode, there are many modes.

For a good explanation of this with pics, check out the 'Loudspeaker and Headphone Handbook" (don't remember the author) or "High Performance Loudspeakers" by Martin Colloms.

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Originally Posted by Andy Wehmeyer View Post
ovals aren't inherently better or worse than round speakers and the ultimate performance does depend on the rest of the design.

However, the oval shape does "spread the chaos" of bending modes around, which often results in a diminishing of the peaks and dips caused by those modes. The different dispersion patters along long and short axes can also be helpful, but a 6x9 woofer (just like other speakers) ought to be low passed before the dispersion narrows if you're using it in a car.

So are you saying don't cross too low or it will beam?
 
Where you cross it over depends on what you need it to do. The dispersion is narrower along the long dimension than along the short dimension. If it's a 3-way 6x9, then don't use a low pass filter. The speaker is designed as a full range driver. If you were going to use it as a woofer in a home speaker with the long axis perpendicular to the floor, then the dispersion in the vertical plane would be a little narrower than in the horizontal plane. You'd choose your crossover according to that. There's no hard and fast rule.

Oh, and I'll kill the mS-8 thread before you do...
 
The proof is in the pudding. Maybe someone with a woofer tester and the proper testing equipment to do a nearfield FR/distortion sweep and possibly off axis response modeling in vertical/horizontal to give some substance to this conversation.
 
People use phrases like "Beaming" in a derogatory way while others simply understand it as "directivity control"
I'd imagine in a car, this isn't a terribly big deal because of the mass of reflections in a car. In a home audio design, it is of huge important because one tries to have a speaker perform well off axis as not every seating position can be on axis.

So, IMO, in a car the beaming isn't so much of an issue unless it get's pretty directive.
 
Beaming is good in the car.
Basically you stick a 6x9 in the door, hopefully the 6 inch side is towards the listener. So you get better off axis response then you would by sticking a 6.5 inch in there... all the while getting the bass output similar to an 8 inch!

WIN WIN!
 
I was told by a VERY knowledgeable insider that a 6x9 mid would sound much better than a 6.5 mid in a door. I believe him, though I can't afford to test the theory.
 
I was told by a VERY knowledgeable insider that a 6x9 mid would sound much better than a 6.5 mid in a door. I believe him, though I can't afford to test the theory.
I have 6x9s as dedicated midbass in my rear doors and they sound great!

PS. I hav a group for Louisiana DIYers, you should join!
 
Im going to re-ignite this thread. Im going to have to agree with the op only on this note. Majority of automobile manufacturers use 6.5" speakers. they do this for limitations of room in a door. if 80% of cars out there stock house a 6.5" speaker then there will be more focus for an aftermarket speaker manufacterer to spend more time and money into producing higher end 6.5" speakers not only that but you can fit a 6.5" into 6x9" and 6x8" holes covering all of about 98% of cars. so why spend money in making great 6x9" as well as 6.5" speakers when you could just produce 1 great 6.5" speaker and call it day...
Like others are saying there are plenty of nice 6x9's its just finding them. I dont think its a main focus for aftermarket companys.
One of my favorite cars to do a nice simple good sounding system is the newer dodge rams. they put 6x9's in the front door and 5.25" speakers in the rear.
 
I have been running ID's x69 mids for a few years. They continue to impress me. With 500 watts each, I have yet to get so much as a stutter from them. They are in fiberglass kicks vented into the frame rails of a '98 Civic. They fit perfectly under my Ultra Mini horns. A great pairing as far as I am concerned.

I have a pair of Audax PR170MO 6.5" mids I planned to integrate for a 3-way. I can't get motivated to do it, though.
 
Beaming is good in the car.
Basically you stick a 6x9 in the door, hopefully the 6 inch side is towards the listener. So you get better off axis response then you would by sticking a 6.5 inch in there... all the while getting the bass output similar to an 8 inch!

WIN WIN!
No, you get the same off-axis response as the 6.5" because the dispersion in that direction is about the same--defined by the speaker's dimension.
 
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